Obamacare upheld

[Bizman]

How can we afford to fully staff our stores when employees will be required to buy healthcare. I can barely pay them now. I know an additional amount for their healthcare will be more then I can afford. What do we do besides the easy answer, "raise your prices"? My customers won't be able to afford to wash their clothes because they have to buy insurance. What a mess this is.

[Howard]

Originally Posted by Bizman

How can we afford to fully staff our stores when employees will be required to buy healthcare. I can barely pay them now. I know an additional amount for their healthcare will be more then I can afford. What do we do besides the easy answer, "raise your prices"? My customers won't be able to afford to wash their clothes because they have to buy insurance. What a mess this is.

Unless you own a huge chain which is all one company it really should not impact you in its current form as it only applies to businesses with 50 or more employees. Still a bad law and should be thrown out by the next president and congress.

[Bizman]

The way I understand it, every person in the USA is required to have health care. Employees will need more money to pay for that health care unless Obama gives it to them. If citizens don't get or don't have health care they will be taxed by the IRS. Is this not correct?

[JoshCox]

Originally Posted by Howard

Unless you own a huge chain which is all one company it really should not impact you in its current form as it only applies to businesses with 50 or more employees. Still a bad law and should be thrown out by the next president and congress.

Agreed! But at least it is for 50+ employers...

[Howard]

Originally Posted by Bizman

The way I understand it, every person in the USA is required to have health care. Employees will need more money to pay for that health care unless Obama gives it to them. If citizens don't get or don't have health care they will be taxed by the IRS. Is this not correct?

Yes that is correct, but that is not on you - its on them. Sure they will have less money in their pockets, but they still will probably have pockets and they get dirty and will still have to be washed


So we have Obama's lie that this was not a tax. We have his lie that if you like your current insurance you can keep it. We also have the lie that there will be no new taxes on those making under $250K. I guess his new title is Liar in Chief !!!!

[MrMachine]

Originally Posted by Howard

Yes that is correct, but that is not on you - its on them. Sure they will have less money in their pockets, but they still will probably have pockets and they get dirty and will still have to be washed


So we have Obama's lie that this was not a tax. We have his lie that if you like your current insurance you can keep it. We also have the lie that there will be no new taxes on those making under $250K. I guess his new title is Liar in Chief !!!!

At first I was dissapointed about the ruling, especially since Obama got on the airwaves to "spike the football" right after the decision came out.

I do hope he gloats more, because this will simply motivate a lot more people to come out this november to defeat him.

Forcing someone to buy something that they don't want is totally Un-American. This pres is sytematically shredding our Constitution.
Our country was formed on the desire and need for FREEDOM.

Our Founding Fathers would be horrified to see where we are going.....in the same direction as Greece.....

[ldm]

Obamacare is clearly BS brought on by bribes, lies and closed door deals, contrary to Obama's promises to be an honest open door transparent administration. Hopefully this guy will get tossed in the next election along with his crew in congress. But more troubling to me is that the SCOTUS decided to pry the mandate into the tax column after it was passed to the american tax payers as a mandate not to be confused with a tax by the Obama administration. Obamacare would likely have failed if the Obama crew had not lied about this issue. IMO, SCOTUS should have simply said it does not stand the constitutional test as the mandate presented by the Obama administration, and told the administration to try again, only this time be truthful about what it is they are selling the people. A sad day for the SCOTUS for those of us who believe they should have ruled on the facts presented prior to the law being challenged rather than changing the game rules after the fact..."the mandate is not constitutional, but we will deem it a tax to allow it's passage, even though it was presented and passed as an unconstitutional mandate. I did not see that coming and it disgusts me. Les

[jh]

I guess few saw this coming. We have long been forced to purchase car insurance. The government got away from it by pointing out that it was personal choice to own and use a vehicle. Now, everyone needs to purchase health insurance even if you decide not to use medical service in US.

Here in NYC, the local government fails to collect water charges from those who can not afford or refuse to pay and it is not legal to cut off their water supply. Whatever the reason is, they seek to collect the debts (by raising water/sewer rates) from those who can pay but have nothing to do with the unpaid debts. This is, what they claimed, necessary to keep the system running. The same thing is now happening nationwide. Instead of focusing on the debate of whether or not Obamacare is legal, they claim that it is mandatory (to cover the current national debt and the cost of medical service that is not paid for?). If it is a tax, then simply add this to the federal tax. But raising the tax by forcing everyone to purchase health insurance? Come on now, really?

[Howard]

While not allowing the mandate as a fee was a very good thing, but allowing it to stand as a tax is almost as bad. While I don't believe in any of this, government provided insurance paid for by taxes would have been one thing, but now we have the threat of being taxed "fined" for not buying insurance from a private outfit. Anyone that does not understand why this is a huge power grab has their heads in the sand.

Obama now has the approval of the court to "fix" the economy. You see he can now just tell everyone that they must buy a new car every two years or face a tax. Or perhaps they all must now buy washers and dryers or face a tax. The court decision actually makes that the law.

Holder and Obamba should both be impeached. They have decided to violate their oaths of office to uphold the laws passed by congress as well. They started this with the DOMA act and continue it with immigration. What next? Perhaps Obamba will sign an executive order telling the IRS to not go after non-payment of taxes of those making under $100,000 a year. When does this crap stop?

[surfflite]

I think the government should force everyone to use laundromats. No home machines. Who's with me?